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September 25, 2009

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Starless

One thing that occurred to me while reading your post, and you can see in the previous post's quotes, is that I hear less of the implicit mocking voice from the media when they use the phrase "Star Wars" to talk about SDI. Going by what was said during the Clinton years, I assumed SDI was dead as a doornail. I guess we needed a Republican president able to force SDI on congress and, IMO, we had to get far enough away from wacky ideas like the X-ray laser for the ideological opposition to start taking it seriously.

That being said, a convert doesn't always stay converted. I would just as soon believe that Hillary! has truly changed her mind and was giving "full-throated support" of the military in any way, shape or form as believe the Iranians if they said they had changed their minds and wanted to become pals with Israel. So it's great that they're at least giving it lip service, but I will remain skeptical of their conversion.

geoff

A terrible little piece from New Scientist to get you worked up:

Why 'Star Wars' missile defence lives on

Pretty much wrong on history, technology, and politics.

Ric Locke

Hey, didn't there used to be a map there? Showing the "fan" of possible ICBM trajectories? I want that map!

Regards,
Ric

Slartibartfast

Oh, that article needs point-by-point destruction. Juicy morsels:

One problem is that ICBMs fly six times as fast as a rifle bullet. It takes a powerful rocket to catch one mid-flight and some miss

"New" and "Scientist" seem to both have acquired somewhat new and unorthodox meanings, here.

especially if the ICBM is accompanied by flak or dummy missiles

Oh, this is just pathetic. flak? Dummy missiles? This woman seems to have written this article without acquiring much in the way of actual knowledge of the subject matter.

Bob Reed

All good points, especially regarding the left's new-found respect and embrace of BMD overall...

As you mention, the SM-3 block IIA's will not begin to be delivered until 2015. And that means that THAAD or PAC-3's will have to deal with any threats the sea based middle-east deterrent can't shoot down in the first minute of the boost phase...

After examining the best available analysis of the rocket used to put the Iranian satellite up in February, I've come to believe that it would take very little modification to adapt that for warhead use. In fact, modeling the very same system with a 500kg payload mass and 250sec ISP yields the theoretical result that such a missile could fly to major cities in the north and central east coast. Of course, the accuracy is probably not there unless they add a third stage for precision warhead placement; that will be the barrier to easily transferring their satellite launch system to ICBM use...

But, it is a matter of fact that the velocities developed for LEO satellite orbital injection exceeds that required for a suborbital warhead flight...

Nice piece McKittrick...

John McKittrick

Yep, I LOL'd at the mention of "flak". dearlord.

John McKittrick

And you're absolutely right, Bob. It took the Soviets just six months to get from Sputnik to their first ICBM. Six months. Fifty years ago.

Distiller

Who says that putting a dozen batteries of land-based SM-3 into Europe will happen?? The Russians already started to crow about how bad that is - read some domestic Russian newspapers. And the Europeans haven't even yet realized what plans Barry has for them.

Also - and correct me if I'm wrong - the best sea-based BMD launch zone with the Standard is the eastern Black Sea, and the Russians will sure not like having a CG/DDG on station off Georgia all the time!

And then this Black Sea launch zone is darn close for a mid-course interceptor against missiles from Persia. I feel that is more KEI territory. Which - if ever developed and deployed - the Russians again will not like, as KEI and the old Midgetman SICBM concept (and tripple stage GBI) are all so close that you could use a common missile, and the Russians would start again how these missiles might carry nuclear weapons.

Enough - I lost my track. In any case I want to say that it's not the USA's job to protect the EU from Persian missiles.

Slartibartfast
It took the Soviets just six months to get from Sputnik to their first ICBM.

Well, yeah. It basically flew on an early version of the SS-6, which was already in the developmnent path as an ICBM. Sputnik flew about five months after (again, earlier version, with less payload capacity) the SS-6 was first flight-tested.

Slartibartfast
In any case I want to say that it's not the USA's job to protect the EU from Persian missiles.

Persians into plowshares!

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